Over the years various charts have been proposed for the birth of the United States. Many astrologers use a July 4, 1776, chart because that is the date of signing of the Declaration of Independence. Some astrologers prefer other historically important dates such as the adoption of the US Constitution, etc. My own preference is the July 4th chart. The question then becomes, “for what time on July 4th should we cast the chart?” I have a bias for the Gemini rising chart, which I hope to explain in his post.
I first became interested in astrology at about the age of 10 or 11. In my early teens (the late 1950s) I read everything I could find about astrology and began casting charts (by hand, since there were no personal computers in those days). The only books available in our local small town library were those of Evangeline Adams, which I read and re-read many times. I was particularly struck by her 1930 prediction that America would enter into another war when Uranus returned to Gemini in the early 1940’s. She was using a Gemini rising chart for 3:03 a.m. as the basis of this prediction. This chart has 20 degrees of Gemini rising with Mars on the ASC.
From articles in Dell’s Horoscope Magazine and other sources, I also found other times, usually earlier, for the Gemini rising chart: 2:13, 2:13:32, 2:14, 2:17 a.m., etc.. These times clustered around 7 degrees of Gemini rising with Uranus on the ASC. I continued to pay attention to this issue and to experiment with the various charts. In 1995 Amercian Astrology magazine attributed the 2:17 a.m. chart to H.V. Herndon, who apparently rectified it to this moment. Frederick van Norstrand is also mentioned in this regard.
I was puzzled because the Uranus rising chart seemed to work so accurately in mundane predictions but there was no historical evidence that the Declaration of Independence was signed around 2 or 3 in the morning. Then I came across a book that was quite enlightening: R.A. Billington, B.J. Loewenborg and S.H. Bruckunier, The United States, Rinehart publishers, New York and Toronto, 1947. In the Introduction to this text (on p.15) the authors write: “The symbolic first breath, or birth hour, of the nation occurred in the early morning hours of July 4, 1776. The writer has figured this to be just after 3:00 AM, however no documentary evidence exists to verify this early morning birth hour (or any other hour), so long a part of the tradition of the national chart.” (italics mine)
I have italicized the word symbolic because when I read it a light went off in my head. The Gemini rising chart is not the chart of an actual event; rather it is a chart of the moment on July 4, 1776, that best captures symbolically the birth of the new nation. Uranus was first realized to be a planet in 1781 and astrologers quickly realized that Uranus was a symbol of both the American and the French revolutions. What better moment to symbolize the American Declaration of Independence than when Uranus (liberation from tyranny) came to the horizon on July 4, 1776. [My own view is that astrology is a divination system that uses events in the “real” world as symbols from which it can derive meaning.]
Uranus exactly crossed the ASC in Philadeplphia at 2:18:54 a.m. LMT, or at 2:14:58 LAT. If we assume that astrologers were symbolically looking for Uranus to lie in the 1st house closely conjunct the ASC and allow a one-degree orb, then the earlier times for the chart would be 2:15:18 LMT, or 2:11:22 a.m. LAT. I don’t know what time system was in use in those days. Here are the possibilities in an easier to see format:
Uranus in 1st within 1 degree of ASC on July 4, 1776, Philadelphia:
LMT: 2:15:18 – 2:18:54 a.m. (midpoint = 2:17:06 a.m. LMT)
LAT: 2:11:22 – 2:14:58 a.m. (midpoint = 2:13:10 a.m. LAT)
I am suggesting that the Gemini rising chart is a purely symbolic chart of the USA based on the time that Uranus was in the 1st house and close to the ASC, specifically at the midpoint in time between when Uranus was one degree away from the ASC and when it was exactly on the ASC. The time may have been measured in either LMT or LAT, which would give birth charts of 2:17:06 AM LMT or 2:13:10 AM LAT respectively, almost exactly the times used by the two most popular Gemini rising charts. [Another popular chart is the so-called Sibley chart for about 5 p.m., which has Sagittarius rising and the planets in the houses opposite those of the Gemini rising chart. Some astrologers have disputed the historical accuracy of the Sibley chart while others insist that it works, so this chart may also be a useful alternative symbolic chart of the USA.]
Over the years I have used the Gemini rising chart with good results and have tweaked it to about 2:13:48 AM LMT (a 7 Gemini 27 ASC). Other astrologers, like Don and Jayj Jacobs, have rectified this chart to 2:14:14 AM LMT (a 7 Gemini 35 ASC) and also reported excellent results: “Don ‘Moby Dick The Astrologer’ Jacobs – my dad – and I, and all my subsequent partners, in presenting the Annual Prediction Seminars have used 7 Gemini 35 for the US Ascendant on July 4, 1776, since 1971. Our media measured accuracy rate of >95% validates that chart & Asc. As do my recent Afghan-Special Ops predictions. Moby (with my assistance) predicted the entire Watergate scenario before the fact and to the day, week after week in a nationally syndicated column. For that he got a place on Nixon’s Enemies list & an FBI file.” Given my own experience and the accurate published predictions of the Jacobs, I think a symbolic birth time of about 2:14 AM LMT produces a very effective chart.
Let me end with an example of my use of the chart. In late 2000 I was contacted by the editors of StarIQ.com with a request for my predictions for 2001. Noticing that a solar eclipse was occurring near the 2000 winter solstice and close to the beginning of the New Year, I superimposed the eclipse chart for Washington, DC, (the current seat of government) on the USA Gemini rising birth chart for Philadelphia. I was reading a lot of Lilly and Morinus at the time, so I had my computer set for Regiomontanus houses. Here is the combined chart:
Predictions for 2001 made in 2000 based on Dec 2000 Solar Eclipse to USA chart with Gemini rising
I noticed immediately that the solar eclipse of December 2000 was occurring almost exactly on the Gemini rising Regiomontanus house of the USA, the MC of the eclipse for Washington was in the 8th house, and the ASC of the eclipse was square to the USA natal Sun. Here is what I wrote at the very beginning of the year 2000 (this was published online in February 2001 at StarIQ):
“The year 2000 ends with a partial solar eclipse on Christmas Day. Comparing the year 2000 Christmas eclipse to the U.S. Gemini-rising chart, I would make the following predictions for 2001.”
“The eclipse takes place in the U.S. natal Eighth House, suggesting that the nation’s economy will dominate the news during the coming year. With the eclipse chart’s Sun, Moon and Mercury all opposing the natal U.S. Venus and Jupiter in the Second House of money, we can expect a significant economic downturn, most likely a recession within the first six months of 2001.”
“The Eighth is also the house of death. With the eclipse chart Midheaven for Washington, D.C. in the Eighth House and the eclipse chart Saturn in the nation’s Twelfth House of loss and sorrow, there is a likelihood of the death of an important national figure and a period of national mourning in 2001. In the Astro*Carto*Graphy map of the eclipse, the Saturn, Neptune and Uranus lines pass through the West coast, suggesting that someone in that region (perhaps former president Reagan) may pass on during the coming year.”
I could not even imagine the events of 9-11 at the time I made the prediction based on the Gemini rising chart, but a period marked by death and national mourning seemed apparent in the figure. It never occurred to me that the “important national figure” whose death I saw in the chart would be the World Trade Center. Only in hindsight did I realize that when eclipse-ruler Saturn (structure) entered Gemini (the twins) and opposed Pluto (radical transformation) in August of 2001, would the symbolism of the destruction of the twin towers (Pluto opposing Saturn in Gemini) become apparent. In fact, if we calculate a national chart for the exact moment transiting Saturn opposed Pluto on Aug 5, 2001 and superimpose the Gemini rising chart upon it, we have a quite striking astrological combination:
Transiting Saturn opposed Pluto on 5 AUG 2001, presaging 9-11 with a strong 8th house emphasis (death) at the moment of the transiting Saturn/Pluto opposition in Washington, DC, which also happens to highlight the 1st house (life force, vitality) of the Gemini rising natal chart for the USA. The United States natal Saturn conjoins the 12th house cusp (sorrow, mourning, secret enemies) of the transiting opposition chart. The ASC of the 1776 Gemini rising chart conjoins the 8th cusp of the Saturn/Pluto opposition chart, and the MC of the Gemini rising chart conjoins the 4th cusp (endings) of the transiting opposition chart cast for our seat of government, Washington, DC.
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Anthony Louis stated:
“The only books available in our local small town library were those of Evangeline Adams, which I read and re-read many times. I was particularly struck by her 1930 prediction that America would enter into another war when Uranus returned to Gemini in the early 1940′s. She was using a Gemini rising chart for 3:03 a.m. as the basis of this prediction.”
I too in my early years at our local library read Evangeline Adams and gathered she used the Gemini rising horoscope, could you list the book and possibly page number of her usage of the Gemini Asc map?
I’ve found if no one accidently nor deliberately re-calculates a horoscope from this web page. or enlarges the map, horoscope it tends to stay there indefinitely, one just clicks upon the link:
http://www.astro.com/cgi/chart.cgi?cid=w3ufileqyk7f3-u1404685768&lang=e&gm=a1&nhor=1&nho2=1&btyp=2&mth=gr&sday=6&smon=7&syr=2014&hsy=1&zod=&orbp=&rs=2&add=18&add=19&add=20&add=22&node=-Yn&fix=1&ast=
Anthony, your first book I must have re-read five times, and it is a very academic achievement as most will agree. I think since it didn’t make re-publishing you now see the power of Lunations as you have since and studied and wrote about in Horary Plain & Simple where Ganivet in 1431 or was that 1341 as a pro horary astrologer also missed a horary about the man’s sickness of whether he would get out of bed and live.
Something you virgo-like described so well in your first book was combustion, of which you stated combust was as ‘being overdone, …in the barbeque of life to long….beyond broiled or baked…near burnt up..’. Well I find that analogy to fit combustion exactly, and if Genimi rising is the true U.S. horoscope, Jupiter lord of the Descendent the open enemy, puts the USA’s enemies in despair as William F. Lilly says ‘..there is no worse condition to a planet than combustion…’; and Lilly unlike many confused Modernes uses the term combust in natal work and in mundane affairs. Combustion does not cease because a few Moderne writters have neglected to diligently decipher the Ancients and those iconic Traditional authors prior to 1800.
Another point in recently reading William Ramesey’s Astrologia Restaurata: Astrology Restored, of which he pointed out ‘..the 7th is the opposite of the asc., and many time the bride becomes a burden or eventually an enemy to her husband. I find Ramesey’s analogy harsh, as he was a confirmed bachelor, yet as the 7th is both the marital partner and many times it does finally devolve into open enemies in divorce court with the exception of RC church oriented nations like the Phillipines that base their laws more in line with Biblical scriptures upon marriage. But the facts are for the American individuals of the 1st, then the 7th ruled by Jupiter which not only represents possibly many partners, but Jupiter is combust and that echoes a reality of 50-75% in the USA divorce rate; that sounds very ‘burnt up..over-done in the oven’ in the relationship arena.
Now I know Mercury rectrograde shows all of the document changes such as repeals of various legislation and the re-institution of almost the same laws in USA History such as the quagmire illustrated through Prohibition, and various Freedom of Religion legislation recalls and re-endorsements, but primarily it’s effects are noted in the fact no treaty signed with Tribal Nations ever was upheld and various contracts with nations in the Middle-East have the same track record.
But this combustion with our enemies throughout the USA History must be noted as even though England won the War of 1812, phenomena like the tornado turning back the British as they advanced after burning Washington D. C., and the tragic Battle of New Orleans fought actually after the treaty had been signed further illustrates the fact that the USA’s open enemies are greatly debilitated by the combustion of Jupiter as other than the war of 1812, Robert E. Lee’s advance into Pa., in the Civil War, Pearl Harbor during WWII, and 9/11, no foreign power has successfully got a foot-hold on the USA during wartime to wage war successfully on U.S. soil.
Anthony Louis stated:
“I am suggesting that the Gemini rising chart is a purely symbolic chart of the USA based on the time that Uranus was in the 1st house and close to the ASC, specifically at the midpoint in time between when Uranus was one degree away from the ASC and when it was exactly on the ASC. The time may have been measured in either LMT or LAT, which would give birth charts of 2:17:06 AM LMT or 2:13:10 AM LAT respectively, almost exactly the times used by the two most popular Gemini rising charts.”
Anthony, the combust factor is only one element I note in the USA map, in the next few weeks I wish to show through history the progressions that are noted exceptionally of why this confirms the Gemini Asc. horoscope.
But before I close let’s look at something so obvious if the Gemini rising horoscope is the true map. Luna id at 18 Aquarius in the 10th, as the Modernes call the Accidental Fall of the Moon. Presently reading Lilly and those of his time, I have to admit I’m a little vague or perplexed at the Essential Dignities and Debilities contrasted to the Moderne’s notion of Accidental Dignities or Debilitated positions. But the Moon being women definitely shows career or status oriented women rather that the ‘Suzie-homemaker types’ had she been in the 4th; being that sag were actually the asc. as the Sibly horoscope may suggest. It would be an outstanding research of the transits that gave women the right to vote in President Wilson’s term, the heavy industrial employment of WWII, and the wrestling match of ERA most recently; those transits to the USA horoscope would be apparent. As I took a course in German history I noted the emphasis of the women as workers in East Germany’s horoscope with their Luna in the 10th; definitely Not coincidence!
Until I comeback with those valid progressions to the Gemini rising horoscope, take care and continue to astutely share Anthony Louis!
To further the emphasis of the USA horoscope being that of Gemini rising, note the Progressed chart if Gemini rising is the asc., for the date of the ‘Louisana Purchase’ on April 30, 1803 placing 3 can43 degrees Cancer rising. The acquisition of the Louisana Purchase clearly more than doubled the USA’s land mass as Cancer rules land and invokes a nationalistic sprit that was clearly prevalent during that era.
I’ve found if no one accidently nor deliberately re-calculates a horoscope from this web page. or enlarges the map, the horoscope it tends to stay there indefinitely, one just clicks upon the link:
http://www.astro.com/cgi/chart.cgi?cid=asxfilekpcCUT-u1404761144;lang=e;gm=a1;btyp=52;mth=gr;sday=30;smon=4;syr=1803;hsy=1;zod=;orbp=;rs=2;add=18;add=19;add=20;add=22;node=-Yn;fix=1;ast=2063&nhor=1&nho2=1
Also re-emphasizing from my last post, the Moon in the tenth fits as American women are absorbed with their work and status.
Note Eleanor Roosevelt, wife of FDR put up with FDR’s affairs as long as she maintained high status.
IE #2 note that Jacqueline Kennedy tolerated all of the whoredom that JFK is noted for as long as her status was maintained; again this is an obvious tenth house moon portrayal of the classic American woman.
IE #3 Note Hillary Rodham Clinton not only was tolerant of Bill’s affairs in Arkansas as governor but she is still with Bill despite the Monica affair.
This further perpetuates the reason the moon is considered in accidental fall in the tenth as many American women are tolerate of their husband’s extra-marital affairs as long as their status(1oth house) is maintained as many women may be only using their husbands until something better comes along, tolerating much that is neither spiritual nor based upon a Godly marriage as given in Biblical scripture references.
If it were actually Sag rising, possibly placing the Moon in the event’s 4th house, with the Moon in the 4th would not American women be more concerned with domestic security and very traditional in that respect?
This site is a worthy consideration for much thought needs to be addressed about factors giving worthy analysis of the USA horoscope:
http://www.astrology.co.uk/news/USA.htm
Clinton Garrett Soule
Wise men truly know how little they know
Matthew 2
New International Version (NIV)
After Jesus was born in Bethlehem in Judea, during the time of King Herod, Magi[a] from the east came to Jerusalem 2 and asked, “Where is the one who has been born king of the Jews? We saw his star when it rose and have come to worship him.”3 When King Herod heard this he was disturbed, and all Jerusalem with him. 4 When he had called together all the people’s chief priests and teachers of the law, he asked them where the Messiah was to be born. 5 “In Bethlehem in Judea,” they replied, “for this is what the prophet has written:6 “‘But you, Bethlehem, in the land of Judah,are by no means least among the rulers of Judah;for out of you will come a ruler
who will shepherd my people Israel. 7 Then Herod called the Magi secretly and found out from them the exact time the star had appeared. 8 He sent them to Bethlehem and said, “Go and search carefully for the child. As soon as you find him, report to me, so that I too may go and worship him.”
9 After they had heard the king, they went on their way, and the star they had seen when it rose went ahead of them until it stopped over the place where the child was. 10 When they saw the star, they were overjoyed. 11 On coming to the house, they saw the child with his mother Mary, and they bowed down and worshiped him. Then they opened their treasures and presented him with gifts of gold, frankincense and myrrh. 12 And having been warned in a dream not to go back to Herod, they returned to their country by another route.
This is by some authorities recognized as the Sibley Chart of the USA:
http://www.stariq.com/pagetemplate/article-printer.asp?pageid=4335
But note the derived oppinion of Dane Rudhyar:
http://www.khaldea.com/rudhyar/astroarticles/riddleusahoroscope.shtml:
And this astrologer who confirms the Sibley horoscope:
http://planetwaves.net/news/daily-astrology/the-sibley-chart-astrology/
Yet this website proclaims the incorrect data of the Sibley horoscope and why:
http://www.astrology.co.uk/news/sibly.htm
Note the 27aqu moon is VOC, does that sound like the Moon is favorable?
Also note my mistake of which I knew in that Luna in the Gemini rising chart is in ACCIDENTAL DETRIMENT and Not Accidental Fall As I incorrectly posted; yes I knew this!
From what I understand of history, Marquis de Lafayette played an important role in making the 3:00 a.m. signing happen. Just something interesting to note, I suppose
In the near future I’m going to post evidence of why the Sibly chart can not be the USA horoscope.. My data comes from a very respected astrologer that all Traditionalists and Medieval astrologers deeply respect. From this source the author claims E. Sibly made a critical mistake:
http://www.astrology.co.uk/news/sibly.htm
I have been reading Sibly’s over 1100 page book which can be found online in ebook form from several sources. And he evidently was very respected having a Doctorate, yet as the above source emphasizes there is a big mistake in his hypothetical Sagittarius Ascendant horoscope and when Luna by transit makes favorable aspects I’m going to share something that seems to have missed all the authorities writing on the true USA horoscope for there is something so obviously that has been overlooked for centuries by competent authorities.
It is said that Benjamin Franklin and Thomas Jefferson set up the time using astrology to birth the USA as a nation, yet what educated astrologer would start anything serious as a nation under Mercury Retrograde and a waning Moon in Aquarius.
This source says Franklin started the Masonic Lodge in the colonies around the 1720s and 1730s but evidently like many who have studied astrology they knew just enough to get themselves in hot water as evidenced by the devolution of the present state of the USA:
http://www.masonicdictionary.com/franklin.html
Anthony like you I have a strong hypothesis that it is the Gemini rising chart and certainly not that of Sibly’s claim. But if it is Gemini rising then the fourth house ought to be really effected by the current Pluto opposition and I think it is in regards to the USA losing it’s Federal land to China in Lieu of the outstanding debt that our corrupt leadership has thrust upon us; note this astrologer’s awareness of the effects of Pluto presently upon the USA:
http://www.daykeeperjournal.com/2013/01/us-pluto-opposed-sun/
And as Neptune stalks quietly through Pisces, deceptions abound as back room deals are made by Washington D.C. elected officials to produce this enlightening fact that may be repeated heavily as Pluto enters Aquarius after 2024, the transit corresponded to the French Revolution of that time and upheaval:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundy_standoff
http://abcnews.go.com/US/militia-family-cliven-bundy-federal-land-national-wildlife/story?id=36064909
We live in a turbulent era, and the mystery of the USA horoscope needs to be substantiated soon!
Clinton Garrett Soule
Wise men truly know how little they know
Anthony if the 2:17 A.M. time is true July 4, 1776 at Philadelphia, Pa., and we have a Sco 6th, which presently gives us a Pluto Return with this Corona virus, Pandemic tragedy.
http://members.tripod.com/tra_nations/a_usa_gem.htm
Because of Pandemic I CAN NOT post the Chart of 2:17 A.M..
It would be much appreciated if someone could post in KOCH, giving a Sco 6th house.
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/history/2020/04/george-washington-beat-smallpox-epidemic-with-controversial-inoculations/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1775%E2%80%931782_North_American_smallpox_epidemic
https://www.realclearscience.com/blog/2016/09/how_vaccination_helped_win_the_revolutionary_war.html
As the 6th house rules disease, ith sco on the 6th using KOCH houses it shows how the Pluto Return with Pluto as co-lord like co-pilot has brought about a return of epidemic proportions.
Clinton Garret Soule
Wise men truly know how little the know
NIV Judges 5:20 From the heavens the stars fought, from their courses they fought against Sisera.
https://www.astro.com/cgi/chart.cgi?gm=a1&nhor=1&nho2=2&btyp=2&mth=gr&sday=7&smon=9&syr=2020&hsy=1&node=-Yn&snode=-Ys&prmth=0&decans=tr&terms=pt&rs=2
This makes good sense as Scorpio would be on the 6th house cusp using Koch tables.
Showing by the Pluto return the return of a massive disease outbreak as Clinton Soule noted by the facts of a massive smallpox epidemic that took place in 1776 in the American colonies that had become the USA.
This should clench the argument for the Gemini Asc USA map:
https://magiastrology.com/BenFranklinWasAGreatAstrologer.php
There are many who have stated there was NO EVIDENCE of Franklin being an astrologer, yet tis proves otherwise.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%202&version=TLB
Matthew 2
Living Bible
2 Jesus was born in the town of Bethlehem, in Judea, during the reign of King Herod.
At about that time some astrologers from eastern lands arrived in Jerusalem, asking, 2 “Where is the newborn King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in far-off eastern lands and have come to worship him.”
3 King Herod was deeply disturbed by their question, and all Jerusalem was filled with rumors.[a] 4 He called a meeting of the Jewish religious leaders.
“Did the prophets tell us where the Messiah would be born?” he asked.
5 “Yes, in Bethlehem,” they said, “for this is what the prophet Micah[b] wrote:
6 ‘O little town of Bethlehem, you are not just an unimportant Judean village, for a Governor shall rise from you to rule my people Israel.’”
7 Then Herod sent a private message to the astrologers, asking them to come to see him; at this meeting he found out from them the exact time when they first saw the star. Then he told them, 8 “Go to Bethlehem and search for the child. And when you find him, come back and tell me so that I can go and worship him too!”
9 After this interview the astrologers started out again. And look! The star appeared to them again, standing over Bethlehem.[c] 10 Their joy knew no bounds!
11 Entering the house where the baby and Mary, his mother, were, they threw themselves down before him, worshiping. Then they opened their presents and gave him gold, frankincense, and myrrh. 12 But when they returned to their own land, they didn’t go through Jerusalem to report to Herod, for God had warned them in a dream to go home another way.
13 After they were gone, an angel of the Lord appeared to Joseph in a dream. “Get up and flee to Egypt with the baby and his mother,” the angel said, “and stay there until I tell you to return, for King Herod is going to try to kill the child.” 14 That same[d] night he left for Egypt with Mary and the baby, 15 and stayed there until King Herod’s death. This fulfilled the prophet’s prediction,
“I have called my Son from Egypt.”[e]